Comments on: The Wisconsin Protests: Cairo on the Isthmus? http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/02/the-wisconsin-protests-cairo-on-the-isthmus/ Informed reflection on the events of the day Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.23 By: Protest or Power? http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/02/the-wisconsin-protests-cairo-on-the-isthmus/comment-page-1/#comment-26626 Wed, 08 Jan 2014 07:46:51 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2584#comment-26626 […] public comment period on proposed legislation before the list of speakers was finished to stop a “citizens filibuster,” this shocked and radicalized opponents of the bill who expected “their” legislators to play […]

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By: President Obama vs. the Republican Congress « Jeffrey C. Goldfarb's Deliberately Considered http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/02/the-wisconsin-protests-cairo-on-the-isthmus/comment-page-1/#comment-23129 Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:02:09 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2584#comment-23129 […] Obama’s speech was well received. It is notable that he openly addressed the issue of social justice, addressing inequality as being the primary problem of our time. He is attempting to redefine the politics of the moment, building upon social ferment and discontent, most dramatically expressed by Occupy Wall Street, but quite evident in the labor struggles that started in Madison, Wisconsin last year, as we have observed here. […]

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By: In Review: On Labor Day « Jeffrey C. Goldfarb's Deliberately Considered http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/02/the-wisconsin-protests-cairo-on-the-isthmus/comment-page-1/#comment-16336 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 21:37:22 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2584#comment-16336 […] of the early rounds of the political conflict over labor rights in Madison, Wisconsin, in reports by Anna Paretskaya and Chad Goldberg. One of the most important issues in the upcoming elections will revolve around […]

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By: Iris http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/02/the-wisconsin-protests-cairo-on-the-isthmus/comment-page-1/#comment-5538 Sun, 20 Feb 2011 21:33:48 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2584#comment-5538 Thanks for this compelling eye-witness account. I have been deeply troubled by what’s been going on in Wisconsin as well as in Congress. The crying “BROKE” mantra is clearly an excuse for the ultra-right to gain their true objectives, which are to break unions and shrink government to the detriment of the middle class and less fortunate. If debt were really the issue, why favor big oil and the super rich (not to mention Nascar — read Gail Collins yesterday)? Governor Walker made a crisis of his own by cutting business and other taxes — read today’s NY Times. Cutting taxes won’t cure the economic crisis when the problem is a lack of demand. Walker also refused many millions of dollars to build a railway, which would have produced jobs in the near term and spurred economic growth in the long term. Let the money refused by him and Governor Christie be given to other states that will prosper from it.

As for democracy, taking away rights people have fought for doesn’t sound democratic to me. What would a Republican say to someone if they wanted to take away their Glock? What also doesn’t sound democratic is refusing to negotiate (that’s why the Wisconsin Democratic legislators are in hiding). The teachers are willing to give, but not Governor Walker. Even the teacher who teaches Walker’s son is protesting! I have family members who are and were teachers. It saddens me that teachers are so disrespected. They work tremendously hard, are required to get an advanced degree, but are not paid very much. The one thing they had were good benefits. There is a tremendous need to attract the best and brightest to the teaching profession, because it is crucial for the economic well-being of the country. We also want firemen to save us. They are our heroes, but obviously not to Governor Walker.

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By: Michael Corey http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/02/the-wisconsin-protests-cairo-on-the-isthmus/comment-page-1/#comment-5523 Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:33:44 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2584#comment-5523 I was very pleased to see a posting on the situation in Wisconsin. It raises some very interesting issues. One of the first deals with the difficulty of being both participant and observer. These types of observations are very difficult to make (I know from experience). These types of observations may be facilitated by a phenomenological suspension of belief (sometimes called bracketing or epoché). It isn’t easy, but it is worthwhile.

Anna points out that the UW-Madison teaching assistants union considers the bill under consideration an affront to democracy because it eliminates a human right and the process is undemocratic. Is the situation an affront to democracy or is the situation more about the perceived fairness of what is taking place? From a political process viewpoint, a governor, senate and legislature were elected democratically and appear to be following legal practices in attempting to make these changes. The governor asserts that the changes he is pursuing are consistent with his campaign.

Opponents of the bill believe that it is fundamentally unfair to the workers involved, and the process has not been adequate considering the serious of the changes. They point to a long history of being able to negotiate for its members. The Governor contends that the state is broke and he doesn’t have anything to offer in a negotiation. The Governor contends that the only alternative he has to meet a balanced budget state requirement is to proceed with these changes; fire state employees; or raise taxes which he feels will chase more businesses away and worsen the problem.

State employees believe that it is unfair to take away their rights to negotiate on pension and health benefits; and what they have is the result of concessions made in prior negotiations. The Governor contends that the world has changed, and small contributions on pension and healthcare benefits are needed to help keep the state solvent. The contention made by the Governor is that even with these contributions, state employees will have to contribute substantially less to their pensions and healthcare benefits than workers in the private sector. The Governor asks, is this fair?

These are complex issues that may have less to do with democratic process than with perceptions of fairness. The bigger issue may be as to whether or not public sector unions across the United States will be weakened if the bill is passed.

It is clear that people on all sides of this issue have the right to demonstrate against and for this bill on their own time. Questions have been raised if state employees have the right to call in sick in order to demonstrate. It is clear that demonstration signs are helpful to bring attention to issues, but it also appears that many signs used are not consistent with the current call for civility.

The democratic process situation is made more complex by Democratic Senators (and one Independent) fleeing the Capitol to prevent a vote on the bill. Is withdrawing from deliberations on a bill consistent with democratic processes?

A fundamental question by many supporters of private sector unions is whether or not public sector unions are a good idea. Opponents of public sector unions point to a letter written by Franklin Delano Roosevelt to Luther C. Steward (President of the National Federation of federal Employees) dated August 16, 1937 in which he expressed significant concerns about public sector unions and militant tactics.

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