Comments on: Hate Speech or Biting Political Provocation? http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/03/hate-speech-or-biting-political-provocation/ Informed reflection on the events of the day Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.23 By: Week in Review: The Cynical Society and Beyond « Jeffrey C. Goldfarb's Deliberately Considered http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/03/hate-speech-or-biting-political-provocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5976 Sat, 23 Apr 2011 22:07:45 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2845#comment-5976 […] act out and upon our emotions, as James Jaspers explored in his posts a couple of weeks ago, and Gary Alan Fine has analyzed as well. Indeed Richard Dienst’s “bonds of debt,” that Vince Carducci reports on, are more […]

]]>
By: Christian http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/03/hate-speech-or-biting-political-provocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5699 Sat, 05 Mar 2011 04:26:16 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2845#comment-5699 Gary,

When two people cannot sit down at the same table and actually listen to and try to understand each other, then we have a problem. Most political discussions are competitions to win an argument, rather than an attempt to learn and cooperatively pursue the truth. Polemics may be exciting, but reasoned, humble debate is much more likely to produce policies and cultural changes that will improve our society.

]]>
By: Michael Corey http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/03/hate-speech-or-biting-political-provocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5690 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 23:45:15 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2845#comment-5690 Hate is a very powerful emotion, and in my opinion, more can go wrong when it is felt then in its absence. Hate and Hate speech can be very powerful tools when used by manipulative leaders, and frequently are the default tools when the merits of leaders cannot be defended in other ways.

Joanna Bourke explores many of these issues in her book, An Intimate History of Killing. Bourke defines hatred as, “an enduring organization of aggressive impulses toward a person or class of persons …. Composed of habitual bitter feeling and accusatory thought.”

In military combat, atrocities frequently arise from leaders invoking hate. During the Vietnam War, hate and hate speech played apart in the My Lai massacre; one of the worst atrocities of its kind committed by American troops during the war. Hate speech can be seen in terms of the use of terms such as “gook,” “slope” and “dinks”, derogatory and dehumanizing terms. Poor leadership by the platoon leader was a major contributing factor to the atrocity.

Burke notes that, “It is much more desirable to kill for positive than for negative emotions. Hatred might actually reduce ‘combat’ effectiveness’ while love might enhance it.” Reflecting on earlier times, Bourke wrote, “… hatred reduced the civilizing sense of chivalry in combat. Killing chivalrously meant avoiding ugly feelings of hatred and acknowledging the humanity of the enemy.”

Many of the same points may be made about hatred seeping into other kinds of conflicts. From the outside, it appears to me that hate has worked its way into the current situation in Wisconsin. I hope that I’m wrong. If it has, then I think we need to understand how it is being generated and by whom and for what purposes.

Hate frequently destroys the cultural underpinnings needed for democratic processes to emerge and thieve. Fundamental to building collaborative relationships issues of fairness and trust must be resolved. I think that John Rawls actually had some interesting thoughts on this.

If we think that hate and hate speech has worked its way into the current rancor in Wisconsin, then I think that the institutions involved and their leaders must be examined carefully.

In all the work that I have done over the years in terms of worker empowerment, achieving fairness and trust were foundational. This is made very difficult when institutions and their leaders are resistant to change.

]]>
By: Iris http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/03/hate-speech-or-biting-political-provocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5687 Thu, 03 Mar 2011 16:46:39 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2845#comment-5687 I hate hate speech. It’s awful when I see it perpetrated by people with whom I disagree, but even worse when I see the standard Hitler comparison being used by those whose general position I share. This post is made all the more relevant since it came out on the day that the Supreme Court issued its ruling upholding the right of the Westboro Baptist Church to spew hateful insults at the families who are attending the funerals of their loved ones killed in war. Is it possible that I can actually agree with the likes of Samuel A. Alito? But I do understand the importance of free speech for any democracy. I then have an urge to picket the homes of those members of that hateful church with vile insults. On second thought, is it better to just ignore them and they’ll go away? That seems unlikely, though, since they now feel emboldened to just increase their hateful activity, and the media will follow. The solution seems that we must all develop a very thick skin. The frightening thing is that normal people can do that, while the more unhinged among us could possibly become even more unhinged.

]]>
By: Rafael http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/03/hate-speech-or-biting-political-provocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5668 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 22:40:22 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2845#comment-5668 In English one can say, “I love these shoes, I hate these shoes.” Not in Spanish. Spanish doesn’t really allow for a personalized and intense affect directed toward these sorts of things. Spanish speakers, save those with extra dramatic flair, merely like or dislike them. By contrast, the English word “hate” seems more encompassing , so that people not only hate the shoes, but also hate Stalin, hate France, hate walmart, and so onn. This, I think, explains some of the ambiguities in the notion of “hate speech.” I agree with Gary Fine: “grab your soapbox,” be incendiary if you wish (because, remember, “only poison grows from stagnant waters”). But I think that we also have to emphasize that that hate speech today, often enough, is actually about Hate, and not “just lusty talk.” After Mathew Sheppard was tortured and murdered for being gay, a local preacher insisted on the idea of building a memorial reminding folk that Mathew Sheppard is now in hell. My point is that ,given the ideological volatility inthe world today, is not a good idea to be ambiguous about Hate with capital H.

]]>
By: Esther http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/03/hate-speech-or-biting-political-provocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5657 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 15:08:08 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2845#comment-5657 Help is on the way! See http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/20/AR2011022003994.html for the announcement of the opening of the National Institute for Civil Discourse in Arizona. And then go to yesterday’s NYT Oped piece by Richard Dooling for some biting critique of it. See http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/opinion/01civililty.html
What seems to me a very important part of the discussion is the question of a link between violent speech and violent action. One of the interviewees in the WP piece says that even though the Tucson shootings were not linked to public discourse, they “created a space for us to think about civil discourse.” Thinking and talking about civil discourse is all good and important, but shouldn’t we be thinking, talking and doing some more about cause and prevention of violent outbursts by lost individuals?

]]>
By: Arjen http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2011/03/hate-speech-or-biting-political-provocation/comment-page-1/#comment-5651 Wed, 02 Mar 2011 09:52:03 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=2845#comment-5651 Very interesting piece! In analogy to the defense of ‘paper stones’ of Przeworski, it seems to me that indeed we should not overreact to uncivilized discourse as we might interpret it as a democratic way to blow off steam from heated political emotions – instead of reverting to real violence. Still, while for sure hate speech or just scorn is of all times, we might ask if there is something new to this ‘business as usual’ state. What first comes to my mind is that political hate-speech has become much more present (public) in our daily lives due to the impact of ICT and media specialization. Where political scorn relating to the average citizen used to be a relatively private affair, the opening up of the traditional media landscape to public opinion comments and the development of social media has made it even for the moderate citizen difficult to escape a polarized discourse coming mainly from his fellow citizens – i.e. the uncivilized nature of speech is in my opinion certainly not set by intellectuals, although they certainly can inflate it. Second, I think another new element about political hatred relates to the trend to a popular distrust of politics. Highly volatile voting patterns show that people have become more cynical about politics and are more voting in protest against political developments they despise than in support of a political agenda with which they shared an ideological commitment and/or on the basis of which they feel to be truly represented. The combination of a polarized(public and popular)debate being overly present in our daily lives and a cynical look at politics do in my view cause for the present disturbance with uncivilized political discourse.

]]>