Comments on: Fake vs. Fox News: OWS and Beyond http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/07/fake-vs-fox-news-ows-and-beyond/ Informed reflection on the events of the day Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:00:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.4.23 By: Aron Hsiao http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/07/fake-vs-fox-news-ows-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-25910 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 17:12:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=14458#comment-25910 My only critique here is less critique than speculation requiring additional research: that the methods of politics (a.k.a. the “political culture”) can not quite so easily be divorced from the content of politics. That is to say, in response to

“The problem is not in the media portrayal of our politics, something that Colbert and especially Stewart seem to focus on, but the politics itself.”

that I suspect (again, without clear data to support the supposition) that the particular politics of the left, and the particular politics of the right, have more than an incidental relationship to the formal and discursive modes of left (Steward, Colbert, DailyKos, etc.) and right (Fox, RedState, etc.) media, in ways that are inextricable from and yet that implicate much more than the facts at issue, making the case for continued interpellative study (in the tradition of Althusser et. al.) with regard to what technologists call UI/UX and “human factors.”

Might not there be correlations between interpellated subjectivities, their preferred “facts,” and their interactive practices? There is some work in this area, but much of it is either old and largely forgotten or falls outside the map of sociology proper, being carried out instead within cultural and media studies circles and stopping at the event horizon of direct media experience, rather that continuing beyond it.

Hence my interests that are in very real ways about formalisms in media (though I focus on different region of the media geography entirely and map in in different ways), yet pursued with a sociological eye and with reference to the sociological canon.

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By: Scott http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/07/fake-vs-fox-news-ows-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-25840 Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:18:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=14458#comment-25840 In theory, fact checking sites like Politifact, or even Snopes, should be the anti-dote to ideologically motivated news organizations disseminating political fictions (i.e., propaganda). Yet even while Fox News has also been made into a farce on the Daily Show and Colbert Report, the results haven’t been as scandalous as one would hope. The spell hasn’t been broken. When someone turnes into Fox News, and they’re told want they want to hear, there must be a total suspension of their BS detector. Also, the fact that factoids are considered “free-speech” doesn’t help either.

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By: Felipe Pait http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/2012/07/fake-vs-fox-news-ows-and-beyond/comment-page-1/#comment-25785 Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:02:00 +0000 http://www.deliberatelyconsidered.com/?p=14458#comment-25785 Asking in another way: is democracy being sick of its news media a new phenomenon? As far as I can tell partisan and corrupt newspapers are as old as this republic, and people’s revolt against corrupt politicians and the media that supports them is precisely what keeps democracy going.

The one new thing is that it is now much easier to check facts across sources. Any of us could make a list of things we read in the newspapers way back before the web and asked “this cannot be so but how I am going to check?” Now we can, though not everyone does it – many prefer to believe what they could easily figure out is false.

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